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Zeek Aran · Nov 04, 2007, 03:29 PM // 15:29

If players are able to use TexMod for title gaining purposes... are drinkbots allowed too?

FireFox · Nov 04, 2007, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

If players are able to use TexMod for title gaining purposes... are drinkbots allowed too?

the 2 are similar how?

Burst Cancel · Nov 04, 2007, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Well, aside from the technical EULA issues of whether drinkbots are allowed, more to the point would be how (and why) anybody would stop you. There are plenty of people (see: Grotto) who stand around in town all day doing a whole lot of nothing, so you wouldn't be much different from them.

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Originally Posted by FireFox

the 2 are similar how?

I think his point is that they're both 3rd-party add-ons that change an aspect of the game for the player, but not anyone else.

Omniclasm · Nov 04, 2007, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Cartography with aids requires interaction.
Running a bot does not require interaction.

Did you eat paint chips when you were a kid?

Zeek Aran · Nov 04, 2007, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Omniclasm

Cartography with aids requires interaction.
Running a bot does not require interaction.

Is there really a difference whether I'm there or not?

Fril Estelin · Nov 04, 2007, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

Is there really a difference whether I'm there or not?

No, the difference is what Burst Cancel said:

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

I think his point is that they're both 3rd-party add-ons that change an aspect of the game for the player, but not anyone else.

Textmod=it only affects you (and some would say everyone else but indirectly, see discussion on LHMC); bot=affects everyone directly (server-side).

Omniclasm · Nov 04, 2007, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

Is there really a difference whether I'm there or not?

Guess you are right.

Anet should just give you all the titles in the game, then ban your account.

Does it matter if you are there or not?

lacasner · Nov 04, 2007, 04:05 PM // 16:05

Just download ghost-mouse or some shiz like that and keep chugging...

Sujoy · Nov 04, 2007, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Textmod=it only affects you (and some would say everyone else but indirectly, see discussion on LHMC); bot=affects everyone directly (server-side).

mind telling me since when is a bot seversided?

Zeek Aran · Nov 04, 2007, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Sujoy

mind telling me since when is a bot seversided?

It's not. Not the drinkbot anyway. o.O; Doesn't it just.. click? Pretty sure it's NOT serverside.

It's lovely when everyone is so flame-happy.

Burst Cancel · Nov 04, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by Omniclasm

Cartography with aids requires interaction.
Running a bot does not require interaction.

Did you eat paint chips when you were a kid?

The merits of the instant issue (rather, lack thereof) are clear, but to be fair, the cited statement is a mischaracterization.

Textmod was never intended to complete cartography for you. What it was intended to do was prevent you from having to figure out which areas you missed. In that sense, it doesn't require interaction; whereas you would have spent potentially hours scouring and re-scouring maps or comparing bitmaps in photoshop, Textmod gives it to you for free.

In terms of allowability, Textmod is only escaping on the basis of a technicality - that it's a 'cosmetic' change. The kind of texture modding used for cartography is done for a completely different purpose than, say, changing the appearance of your armor. As such, hiding behind the 'cosmetic' change to escape the EULA is improper.

To answer the original question, no, drinkbots are not allowed, nor are any other kinds of bots:

Section 7 of the EULA states:

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7. OFFICIAL SERVICE

The Game(s) is designed for official play only as offered through the Service by NC Interactive at the Web Site and not through any other means. You further agree not to access, create or provide any other means through which Game(s) may be played by others, as through server emulators. You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for the Game(s), except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure. You may not sell or auction any Game(s) accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so.

(emphasis added)

Zeek Aran · Nov 04, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

To answer the original question, no, drinkbots are not allowed, nor are any other kinds of bots:

Thank you for bolding the 'without interaction' part.

Close thread please.

dont feel no pain · Nov 04, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

If players are able to use TexMod for title gaining purposes... are drinkbots allowed too?

you got not gain in game stuff from texmod.. only eye candy for yourself - graphics, but the bot actualy adds controll... texmod yes, drinkbot no.

texmod is no diff to placing a red plastic filter over your moniter, it just effects what you see.

Konrow · Nov 04, 2007, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Bots are not aids. Bots do the work for you. With the cartography aid you still have to go everywhere and do everything. Except with the aid you're sure you didn't miss a spot and you have a better idea of where to go. The bot just lets you go do whatever while you gain a title for no reason.

Chthon · Nov 04, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Textmod=it only affects you (and some would say everyone else but indirectly, see discussion on LHMC); bot=affects everyone directly (server-side).

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Originally Posted by Sujoy

mind telling me since when is a bot seversided?

It's not. I think what Fril meant is that the effects of a bot/macro are felt serverside because the bot/macro generates commands that do get executed by the server, thus changing the state of the GW "world" for everyone. Conversely, the effects of a texmod are only felt clientside.

(Now, you having a drinkbot macro changes the GW world in a way that I probably won't notice and wouldn't care about if I did (a line of text under your name appearing sooner than it otherwise would). But that is a serverside impact nonetheless.)

Anywho, Burst Cancel posted the final word on OP's original question:

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Originally Posted by EULA

You agree not to use any... software, including... 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.

End of discussion.

unienaule · Nov 04, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Closed by request.